The old saying, if you don't want arguments, never discuss one's politics or religion on table
has proven true again as I perhaps openned a can of worms with my blog, IS THERE GOD? I tried to close
the arguments on the original thread ending , "Let us agree to disagree!" but Seaside continued to discuss it and carried it through comments in my other post unrelated, Bush, The Wazzucked Years! I have to rebutt as I've never heard these strong words before from anybody, let alone not even a friend and even after closing the subject.
Bahhh, it's over hopefully! Below is the longest reply I have written so far!

Comment /Reply:

SeasideMan SeasideMan pro
06/11/08 @ 18:15

What a terribly childish way of making sure you got the last word in on that other thread. You avoid prolonging a discussion you were doing poorly in and which was making you look insecure by making a long response full of non-sequiturs to me and then closing off comments so I couldn't respond.

I shall know to expect neither honesty nor integrity from you if we ever have another discussion. This can be added to the hypocrisy you have already displayed repeatedly.

You would be well advised to start following two things advised by the religion you claim to follow:

1. Humility

2. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Good day to you.

Tom.

REPLY:
davij davij pro
06/11/08 @ 23:22

I could see you are hopping my site from one of my post to the other to have the last word haha!

For somebody who accused me of judging others, just in the short 5 sentences or so of your comments above you've called me the following:
1. Childish
2. Insecure
3. Dishonest
4. No Integrity
5. Hypocrite
6. A follower of a religion

While I pride my life of my moral character has never been assailed, I cannot simply just ignore these accusations without foundations.
1. I mentioned to you my mother, and my examples are real people and they cannot be more closer than a mother, whom I said is a devoted Catholic that is at peace with her faith and believes she will go to heaven when she dies, I also mentioned
that My Dad and I are not so religious but I will not enforce my belief on her if she's happy that way - to me that is maturity my friend!
2. Insecure: I have consistently said I believe in God but also concur in the theory of evolution from a scientific point of view rather than the Jew's and Christian's Bible of the Old Testament's Genesis or Creation, but have always have the lingering question of the unknown before the Big Bang, which I believe God has caused it! That is my conviction and I am very happy and secure about it.
3.Dishonest: I have always maintained my position above and never said anything to the contrary.
4. No integrity: The time I spent and still spending to stand
for what I believe in and rebutting every word,statement, that you make, that you have to clarify thereafter, to me is integrity.
5.Hypocrite: this is very strong for a non judgemental person like you! You can't just drop bombs like that without citing evidence to your accusations.
6. A follower of a religion: I don't know if you even read what I write where throughout the whole discussion I have repeatedly said I am born Catholic but I am not a follower of any one true religion and that I respect the belief of others,
either they are Buddhists, Muslims, Aboriginal Gods -even Atheists as long as they respect others.

On the contrary you have to explain yourself when you put down
"some" believers are "less of achievers", that's not judging
yah right!
I responded by real examples of some of the greatest accomplishments in the name of God, most of them considered wonders of the world, you did not give me anyone atheist with equal achievement.
Even if you've mentioned only one or few, you are still stating that is still judging a believer as a less achiever than an atheist and yet you cannot produce any evidence of your claim.
I said that in the final hour, many will say the name of God.
You rebutt that I should be sure and should know that dying men will speak of their mothers or wives predominantly before God. Perhaps so, and I cited again personal true experiences, of real people, close to me and soldiers (as I saw in Vietnam), non believers stricken of terminal cancer that sought to come back for God's help some of them let to live to this day and in reality it may not been God responsible for it but I don't judge their faith, if they believe in it , so be it! I've seen alcoholics, drug addicts, the ones where despair and hope seemed nowhere have found the way to rehabilitation and credited Christ, Allah, Buddha for their transformations, it may not be these Gods who did it for them, but if they believe it is, I respect that too. I've seen marines make the sign of the cross as they
go forward enemy lines in the rice patties of Vietnam for they may never come back alive. I've hear cries of God help me, ridden with bullets before they died. Or in a much more fanatical way to which I do not condone are the criminals of 9-11, chanting Allah e Akbar, God is great as they smashed the planes to their death and 3000 casualties who had screamed Oh my God in their final hours.

After all these real examples you come back with a comment ,
As there are some who had said " Why thou has forsaken me as there is no God? in that content.
I don't know if you;re making this up or you really have heard
this personally, for real but I responded that:
"No, I have never heard anyone in their dying bed say those words-ever". I could just presumed that this man/woman must have had a bitter life to mention such. Or this is simply a fabrication or a distortion of Christ's one of the last words:
"Father (God) why thou has forsaken thee?" but even in these words, you cannot just take a quote, distort it of it's true meaning and not look at the complete verses. Jesus calling an invisible father recognizing the existence of God who had forsaken him confirmed by his last words "God into your hands I commend my spirit!"

If the above are not direct answers to whatever you put on the table, I don't know what is. Unless you want me to just agree with you, sorry pal you're not convincing one bit!

I could've have just deleted your comments from the start as I have all the right to do so, BCUK rights and regulations but I didn't, I think I have given you enough space to air your views. But as I could see your persistensce, although I have closed the post on the note that let us agree to disagree and let me do and spend more time on more pleasant things for me anyways and Ciao my friend! Bye! Good Day! Adios! Sayonara! I could have said Fuck-off but I didn't!
As Bush said, READ MY LIPS! I don't wanna discuss this anymore! Not because I am insecure or doing poorly, I actually think I was rebutting every arguments with clear precise answers while you go clarifying dubious, unsubstantiated statements, but if you thin you did great, good for you!
You remind me of a bitter husband whose wife told him, "that's it finito! Git otta mi casa!" and you just don't get it and kept hanging around her premises. In real life, you'll receive a restraining order! :))
No wander many of the bloggers here have the safeguard of reviewing their comments before posting it but I've never done so as I have never got into arguments like this as most of my friends share the common interest of humour, sexy stuff but of good taste, beautiful people, celebrities, world events, music, world news, poverty, corruption in the world, families, relationships, kindness, compassion, to matters which to me and my friends matters most.

Actually I have a reply from one of my friend Xenon, who confirmed he is an atheist but the difference is that we have mutual respect for each other and have no intentions of proving who's wrong or right - I extended my hand and we talked about hockey.

At the same note - I extend my hand to you, it's been a great
exchange of point of views, but I don't wanna discuss this shit no more, do you think Italy could come back? -EURO 2008! CHEERSSS!!! :)